tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365582190126322848.post922683834393149628..comments2024-03-11T08:41:25.347+00:00Comments on conradwalks: Cumbria Coastal Way in parts - 2Sir Hughhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17908756392825206914noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365582190126322848.post-14152670917326200092016-12-23T08:48:45.232+00:002016-12-23T08:48:45.232+00:00gimmer - the question of company is debatable. Wit...gimmer - the question of company is debatable. With most people I would have had added to my boredom the worry that the other person would not be enjoying it but politely refraining to say so, or at worst suggesting packing it in when my own dogged instinct is to finish what I have set out to do almost without exception. Bowland Climber would have been fine - he would have found the amusement in the whole situation and cheered me along in a more buoyant mood.Sir Hughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17908756392825206914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365582190126322848.post-3671942840029745992016-12-20T22:40:02.523+00:002016-12-20T22:40:02.523+00:00This exchange brings to mind the opening words of ...This exchange brings to mind the opening words of Anna Karenina -<br />but luckily bad weather does go away - sometimes, of course, with fatalities (so the simile might have more to it than whimsy).<br />Epics rarely occur in fine weather - even our 1430 hours start on the Rum peaks circuit ended well due to unbroken sunshine until 2230 hrs - but if the weather had turned foggy, or if it had been November, there would have been much more to remember than 'merely' the strangeness of being in sunshine 'on high' at 2200 hrs !<br />Maybe this walk was one of those occasions when company would have made for a 'better' walk (whilst bearing in mind RR's views of the nature and value of walking) - but of course, the forecast deceived you and hopes were not realised - hence your disappointment - and boredom - of course. 'They' always say (those 'they' again) that boredom is good for children (and adults too) as it makes them get up and go -and 'do something' - legal one hopes, but a bit of gentle illegality can also be character-forming, I've heard, provided no harm is done, or comes of it.gimmernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365582190126322848.post-66138902342324633302016-12-20T11:28:15.219+00:002016-12-20T11:28:15.219+00:00You might also have defended yourself by saying I ...You might also have defended yourself by saying I have, in the past, urged you to concentrate on things that go wrong since they're more interesting to write about and to read. Had you done so I would defended myself by saying this post was something of a whinge and that the key to writing about disasters is (eg, Eric Newby) is to refer to them lightly. <br /><br />In any case I had this other axe to grind: weather as good or bad. I might add that good weather is if anything badder than bad weather as a subject. I have from time to time used the phrase "emerging into sunlit uplands" as a means of being ironic, but no longer. Chances are it's likely to be taken at face value.<br /><br />A sub-editor struck out "very" from something I'd written and explained: "Imagine every 'very' replaced by 'damn'." At the time I thought I knew what he meant. Years later I decided I had no idea what he meant. Not that it mattered: by then I'd learned to ration my 'very' usage.<br /><br />You shouldn't think of your comments and re-comments as somehow being wasted. I'm heartened whenever there's proof that something I've written for your blog, and especially Lucy's, has been read by another commenter. If you're looking for a subject why not use what we've exchanged as the basis for a "What they really meant." feature.<br /><br />You know the sort of thing: "a long hard pull to the top" (Breathing so raucous it blotted out his thoughts.)<br />"a refreshing pint at a local hostelry" (Taken back to his tent in a wheelbarrow.)<br />"the next move lacked even the merest rugosity" (Does most of his climbing in the university library.)<br />"I easily outdistanced both my colleagues." (Back at the campsite both tents and the car had disappeared.)Roderick Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16828395545197001637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365582190126322848.post-45759779886832985782016-12-20T09:20:13.416+00:002016-12-20T09:20:13.416+00:00RR - I too generally avoid much reference to weath...RR - I too generally avoid much reference to weather, but this time I decided it was going to be a main character. I agree with you up to a point about fog in that it can be bewitching and atmospheric, and with a cloud inversion, looking over the top with high points protruding dramatic, creating an entirely new landscape of wonder. This fog was none of that, it was just depressing, although I was quite taken with the early morning sombre, chilling bleakness of the photo on the road with the skeleton trees - it conveyed for me everything I was experiencing.<br /><br />As a committed walker there is a tendency always to be defending that stance and trying to convince others how good it is, but as I was walking I searched hard for my true feelings, and admitted to myself that I was bored, a revelation few others would ever admit to, but I guess often experienced. Tiredness towards the end of a long day can extinguish all those uplifting feelings harboured in the earlier stages. In Blogger using italics to emphasise seems to reduce the size of the font, thus almost reversing the desired effect and using bold helps to overcome that. You may notice that I also employed a technique that I think can work if only used occasionally in employing the word “very” twice to overcome its almost meaningless effect from over use when used singly.<br /><br />Well, you have now provoked me into writing here stuff that could have been used in the post. Sir Hughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17908756392825206914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365582190126322848.post-61352718359323563322016-12-20T07:55:48.407+00:002016-12-20T07:55:48.407+00:00I made a resolution, years ago, to avoid talking o...I made a resolution, years ago, to avoid talking or (especially) writing about the weather. Your opening paragraphs remind me why. Not because weather is boring (it isn't) or for the fact that many people employ the weather as the oral equivalent of clearing their throat prior to conversation. The problem is weather induces unthinking reactions based on a supposition that it comes only in two forms: good and bad. With only these two options to hand what follows is, at best, predictable. Thus fog is bad because you're trying to get somewhere and fog is hindering you.<br /><br />But fog has a beautiful effect on landscapes as the Chinese water-colourists have proved. You grumble that fog is denying you a view but this is untrue; fog has merely transformed a view you were already familiar with into something else. Fog also affects the nature of outdoor sounds, reducing their resonance and thereby altering many aural references. Fog reduces an observer's perceived world and - arguably - makes him more aware of his individuality. And so on.<br /><br />There are all sorts of options here but none will be taken up if fog is - and always will be - regarded as a visible form of tooth-ache, or a flat tyre. A source of complaint.<br /><br />Which is a shame since after a lengthy threnody, resumed when you get to the Tarn, you dare in between to risk opening a real can of worms in that going for a walk can under certain circumstances be boring. An excellent subject to raise. But don't jump to conclusions; don't assume I'm knocking walking. The point I'm trying to make is that because walkers automatically think of walking as a "good" thing, their reactions towards walking tend to be unquestioning and their accounts predictable. Their experiences emerge mainly as confirmation of what they were hoping for; the nature of walking is rarely examined. They march towards a view said to be "good", observe it in approving and often very limited terms; seemingly unaware that in rendering this service they might have done better to have stayed at home, taken out Roget's Thesaurus and produced a more vivid account.<br /><br />I was going to say you spoiled this account by using boldface for the phrase "above all bored" but I'd have been wrong to do so. It was as if this was the first time it had happened and your innocence was now forever lost. That you'd have to take this possibility into account in all future walks. And so you should. Not because boredom diminishes the pleasures of walking (although it's probably true) but that walking is an activity performed by humans who are open to being bored as well as elevated and that this range of possibilities deserves blogo-examination as much as any other.<br /><br />Far far too long, of course. Probably too boring. Roderick Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16828395545197001637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365582190126322848.post-83393085969456921872016-12-19T07:49:54.988+00:002016-12-19T07:49:54.988+00:00Gayle - quite right. Plenty of material for a good...Gayle - quite right. Plenty of material for a good post.<br /><br />-----------------------------<br /><br />Bowland climber - It seemed like a good idea at the time. I don't think hibernation is in your character.<br /><br />-------------------<br /><br />gimmer - It was partly the fault of this LDP's makeup, but I'm sure the bits in between would have made up for the dross with decent weather - I am not daunted - as I said above I got good material for a post with a different slant.<br /><br />-------------------<br /><br />Ruth - I was thinking of you and wondering how much of my route you had followed. You have my admiration for your persistence in sticking as close to the sea as possible which sometimes leads you into sections that are not so obvious on the map.Sir Hughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17908756392825206914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365582190126322848.post-56281294149830748502016-12-19T07:37:50.809+00:002016-12-19T07:37:50.809+00:00Oh dear. When I did that walk (from Cark only as f...Oh dear. When I did that walk (from Cark only as far as Greenodd in my case) it was glorious. The views from the ridge, on the way up to Bigland, were wonderful. The next day I walked from Greenodd and followed a footpath along the side of the hill, to avoid the road, and only had to struggle 100 yards or so along the verge, before heading down a minor road towards the coast. I did, however, get lost in a bog after that. Worth doing the Cark to Gennogg section again on a better day.Ruth Livingstonehttp://www.coastalwalker.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365582190126322848.post-66570525899642341762016-12-19T00:19:04.956+00:002016-12-19T00:19:04.956+00:00that's an unfortunate episode - and oddly, you...that's an unfortunate episode - and oddly, you would be the more put out to learn that it although cold and murky in Appleby itself, up here we did have the sunny and mild weather as forecast most of the day - with a brilliant sunrise and lovely roseate sunset to 'book end' the day - with alpenglow along the Pennine escarpment: some hillsides had evanescent misty veils but the high tops were clear : maybe you should try to find an LDP up here that you haven't done - it 's often much nicer here than down in the valley or in the south Lakes !gimmernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365582190126322848.post-14889495067329164762016-12-18T17:09:04.392+00:002016-12-18T17:09:04.392+00:00That all looked a bit grim, didn't recognise a...That all looked a bit grim, didn't recognise any of it. I'm hibernating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365582190126322848.post-73616070697043471672016-12-18T14:25:19.366+00:002016-12-18T14:25:19.366+00:00The silver lining is that the more sub-optimal the...The silver lining is that the more sub-optimal the walk, the more memorable it is. That didn't sound a whole bundle of laughs, though. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08648378503343413924noreply@blogger.com